Wednesday, April 12, 2006

Pedro, the Nats and HBP's

Pedro Martinez faces the Washington Nationals again tonight. In his first start of the year, Mets pitchers hit Nats batters 5 times. Pedro hit Nats OF Jose Guillen twice, bringing the total number of hookups between the two to five. Then, one Mets batter (Catcher Paul LoDuca) was hit by a pitch and the Nationals pitcher and manager were ejected and suspended, as per league rules. The rules are stupid! I understand the reasoning behind the rules: umpires can warn both dugouts and then eject pitchers subsequently, rather than just haphazardly ejecting pitchers, and get control of the HBP's, endless retaliation and bench-clearing brawls.

Unfortunately, more rules aren't the way to solve all problems. There are usually ways around the rules. In this case, if you want to throw at the other team, do it early in the game. Get yours early. Then, once warnings are issued, sit back and let the other team retaliate and get punished. That's what happened in the Mets - Nats game. If the Mets hit 5 Nats, warn the Mets dugout. Why are the Nats being warned, they haven't done anything? The Mets should have been warned after Guillen was hit for the 2nd time, even though it didn't look like Pedro was throwing at him that time.

I don't have a problem with a few HBP's. I understand Guillen's frustration, but it's possible that the first ball Martinez hit him with just got away. It was way inside, so I hope it got away from him. Otherwise, he was throwing at him. The second one just looked like an inside fastball that got in a little bit farther than Pedro wanted and Guillen didn't look like he did a good job of trying to avoid it. I have a problem with Nick Johnson being hit the second time. He gets hit once, then hits a HR, then gets nailed again. The pitcher who threw that pitch should have been ejected and suspended.

Major league baseball needs to recongnize that the system currently in place doesn't work. Obviously, it doesn't work ... look at the Mets - Nats situation! It may work in some circumstances, but that doesn't let MLB off the hook. Suspensions are handed out after the fact all the time. Fine, eject the Nats pitcher and manager, but don't suspend them. Suspend the Mets pitchers who created the problem in the first place. The umpires weren't protecting the Nationals hitters, so it's hard to fault the ball being thrown at the Mets catcher.

Batters are going to get hit. One game I pitched in HS, I hit the same guy (Greg B.) two times in a row. I had fairly good control and wasn't trying to hit him, although I also played basketball against him and didn't particularly like him. Perhaps, subconsciously I was throwing at him, but it wasn't my intent to hit him. MLB should look at balls that hit batters and make a determination as to whether or not they were intentional. They should also consider where "intentional" balls are thrown. Obviously, Craig Biggio taking another HBP to get on base isn't the same as Johnson being thrown at for hitting a HR. Also, Johnson getting plunked in the rear end is much better than if he'd been drilled in the head. Perhaps, MLB could institute a policy for seemingly intentional HB's (hit batsmen) ... say a 5 game suspension for the 2nd intentional HB and a 5 game suspension for each intentional HB after that. That's a policy with teeth that still allows pitchers to work inside. Also, I would put in a policy for "unintentional" HB's as well. Maybe a 5 game suspension for every 3rd unintentional HB except for the 3rd and 6th ... so the 9th, 12th, 15th, etc. This allows an unintentional hit batter every 4th start without an repercusions (assuming about 32 starts during a season). The reason for the 5 game suspension is that is equivalent to one start for a starter. Additionally, game checks during the suspensions will be withheld and given to charity.

2 Comments:

At 11:10 PM, April 13, 2006, Blogger mymrbig said...

What do you think of different rules for the NL and AL? I'm surprised the Nats just didn't throw one behind Pedro or 3 feet over his head. No need to hit the guy, just remind him he can't hide behind the DH anymore now that he has to step up to the plate with a bat. Yeah, they might have been warned, but can they be tossed for intentionally scaring a hitter?

I agree, the rule is completely stupid. Pedro pitches inside a lot, as well he should. Not enough pitchers throw inside, and a few more hit batsmen will get some of these guys off the plate.

Two funniest beanings I ever saw. (1) Carl Everett is literally inches from the plate (I believe the ump had already warned him that he was out of the batters box a few times). His arms are literally in the strike zone. He's facing Jamie Moyer, who has never thrown a pitch above 86 mph (or something). Moyer throws an inside "fastball" (as he should have, since there is no way Everett could have hit a ball on the inside corner fair) that hits Everett. It may have been over the plate or just a few inches inside. Everett goes beserk. He should have been tranquilized for that stunt. (2) David Cone hits Pedro Guerrero with a curveball. Guerrero is noticably upset and Cone tells him (easy to read lips) "it was a curveball." Guerrero throws his bat at Cone (thankfully missing). Another tranquilizer would have been helpful.

   
At 12:36 AM, April 14, 2006, Blogger ET said...

Well, am I wrong in my understanding that you can be ejected without being warned? I think that is the case. I also believe you can hit people without being ejected even after you've been warned. It's my understanding that that happened in the Mets - Nats game, although I didn't see it, so I'm not entirely sure.

I think you can be tossed even if you don't make contact. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before. I heard that both teams (Mets and Nats) were warned before this series that another HB fest would not be tolerated, so I believe any balls thrown at, over, or behind Pedro would result in an ejection and suspension of the pitcher/manager combo in control at the time.

I'm not sure if you should have different rules for the AL and NL. It seems like retaliation is usually against sluggers, not pitchers who have plunked guys. It makes sense, in a way, because you don't want to give a free pass to a .080 hitter when you can nail a .300 hitter with power. You may see Cubs P Glendon Rusch throw at Bronson Arroyo, but that's a totally different matter.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with a few guys getting drilled, especially if it's done responsibly. Head-hunting is not being responsible. Drilling someone in the buttocks, that's just fine. Pitching inside is a good thing. Pitching up and in is often uncalled for. However, pitching inside can lead to more injuries than drilling guys in the backside on purpose. Balls running in on the hands often lead to guys getting hit in the hands and wrists. Humans have a lot of small, fragile bones in their hands ... just ask mymrsbig ... and a broken hand can land you on the DL for quite a while.

I'm not sure pitching inside will lead to hitters moving off the plate. Rather, I think it will just lead to an increase in body armor. Or, maybe, some combination of the two.

On a personal note, I feel Jamie Moyer's pain. No, Dick Vitale is not related to me by marraige. Rather, in HS, I was facing a small player who was crowding the plate. I threw a strike on the inner half (not on the black). Unfortunately, the idiot didn't remove his arms from over the plate. Rather, he leaned into it even more. Who does that? Who leans into a baseball flying towards them? I guess I just need to let it go.

   

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